{"id":6973,"date":"2025-09-20T22:43:29","date_gmt":"2025-09-21T05:43:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/troubadourworks.com\/tiandi\/meotw\/?p=6973"},"modified":"2025-09-27T10:22:49","modified_gmt":"2025-09-27T17:22:49","slug":"fanti%e2%80%90zi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/troubadourworks.com\/tiandi\/meotw\/2025\/09\/20\/fanti%e2%80%90zi\/","title":{"rendered":"f\u00e1nt\u01d0\u2010z\u00ec"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h3>\n\t\t\t<span onclick=\"plus(this)\">f\u00e1nt\u01d0<\/span><span class=\"plusinfo a\" onclick=\"minus(this)\">\n(f\u00e1n\u00b7t\u01d0\n<span class=\"mt\"><span class=\"lit\">complicated; complex; difficult \u00b7 {body \u2192 [style] \u2192 [typeface; font]} \u2192<\/span> [traditional Chinese]<\/span>\n\u7e41\u4f53\n<span class=\"trad\">\u7e41\u9ad4<\/span>)<\/span>\u2010<span onclick=\"plus(this)\">z\u00ec<\/span><span class=\"plusinfo a\" onclick=\"minus(this)\">\n(<span class=\"mt\">characters<\/span>\n\u5b57)<\/span> <span style=\"color: hsl(100, 85%, 40%);\"> \ud83d\udc48\ud83c\udffc Tap\/click to show\/hide the \u201cflashcard\u201d<\/span><\/h3>\n\n<p>[This is a reposting of a <a href=\"https:\/\/troubadourworks.com\/tiandi\/meotw\/2020\/11\/30\/fanti-zi\/\" title=\"f\u00e1nt\u01d0\u2010z\u00ec - Mandarin Expression of the Week\">post<\/a> that was originally posted on November 30, 2020. I took the opportunity to flesh out the original post and this repost with additional material.]<\/p>\n<p>For a long, long, long time, Chinese characters were just Chinese characters. Then, in 1956, the Communist government of mainland China issued what came to be known as the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Chinese_Character_Simplification_Scheme\" title=\"Chinese Character Simplification Scheme - Wikipedia\">First Chinese Character Simplification Scheme<\/a> (a <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Second_round_of_simplified_Chinese_characters\" title=\"Second round of simplified Chinese characters - Wikipedia\">second round of Chinese character simplification<\/a> was later attempted and ultimately rescinded), and official <em>simplified<\/em> Chinese characters came into the world. (Some characters had been unofficially simplified and used for various purposes, both everyday and artistic, before that.)<\/p>\n<h4>Name?<\/h4>\n<p>To distinguish these newfangled official simplified Chinese characters from the Chinese characters that had existed before, and that continue to be used by many people in many parts of the world, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Retronym\" title=\"Retronym - Wikipedia\">retronyms<\/a> were coined to refer to these pre-existing Chinese characters, just as the term \u201cacoustic guitar\u201d was coined to refer to a regular non-electric guitar after electric guitars came along.<\/p>\n<p>In the English-speaking world, the pre-official simplification characters have come to be called \u201ctraditional Chinese characters\u201d, as opposed to the \u201csimplified Chinese characters\u201d. In the Chinese-speaking world, as is true of many things regarding Chinese characters, the situation is\u2026complicated. <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Traditional_Chinese_characters#Terminology\" title=\"Traditional Chinese characters - Wikipedia\">Wikipedia<\/a> summarizes the situation thusly:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Traditional Chinese characters (the standard characters) are called several different names within the Chinese-speaking world. The government of Taiwan officially calls traditional Chinese characters <strong>standard characters<\/strong> or <strong>orthodox characters<\/strong> (traditional Chinese: \u6b63\u9ad4\u5b57; simplified Chinese: \u6b63\u4f53\u5b57; pinyin: <i>zh\u00e8ngt\u01d0z\u00ec<\/i>; Zhuyin Fuhao: \u3113\u3125\u02cb \u310a\u3127\u02c7 \u3117\u02cb).<sup><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Traditional_Chinese_characters#cite_note-7\" title=\"Wikipedia source information\">[source]<\/a><\/sup> However, the same term is used outside Taiwan to distinguish standard, simplified <em>and<\/em> traditional characters from <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Variant_Chinese_character\" title=\"Variant Chinese character - Wikipedia\">variant and idiomatic characters<\/a>.<sup><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Traditional_Chinese_characters#cite_note-8\" title=\"Wikipedia source information\">[source]<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<p>In contrast, users of traditional characters outside Taiwan, such as those in Hong Kong, Macau and overseas Chinese communities, and also users of simplified Chinese characters, call them <strong>complex characters<\/strong> (traditional Chinese: \u7e41\u9ad4\u5b57; simplified Chinese: \u7e41\u4f53\u5b57; pinyin: <i>f\u00e1nt\u01d0z\u00ec<\/i>; Zhuyin Fuhao: \u3108\u3122\u02ca \u310a\u3127\u02c7 \u3117\u02cb). Users of simplified characters sometimes informally refer to them as &#8220;old characters&#8221; (Chinese: \u8001\u5b57; pinyin: <i>l\u01ceoz\u00ec<\/i>; Zhuyin Fuhao: \u310c\u3120\u02c7 \u3117\u02cb).<\/p>\n<p>Users of traditional characters also sometimes call them &#8220;full Chinese characters&#8221; (traditional Chinese: \u5168\u9ad4\u5b57; simplified Chinese: \u5168\u4f53\u5b57; pinyin: <i>qu\u00e1nt\u01d0 z\u00ec<\/i>; Zhuyin Fuhao: \u3111\u3129\u3122\u02ca \u310a\u3127\u02c7 \u3117\u02cb) to distinguish them from simplified Chinese characters.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In my experience in the Chinese fields in Canada, I have always heard traditional Chinese characters referred to using this week\u2019s MEotW, \u201c<span onclick=\"plus(this)\"><i>f\u00e1nt\u01d0<\/i><\/span><span class=\"plusinfo a\" onclick=\"minus(this)\">\n(f\u00e1n\u00b7t\u01d0\n<span class=\"mt\"><span class=\"lit\">complicated; complex; difficult \u00b7 {body \u2192 [style] \u2192 [typeface; font]} \u2192<\/span> [traditional Chinese]<\/span>\n\u7e41\u4f53\n<span class=\"trad\">\u7e41\u9ad4<\/span>)<\/span>\u2010<span onclick=\"plus(this)\"><i>z\u00ec<\/i><\/span><span class=\"plusinfo\" onclick=\"minus(this)\">\n(<span class=\"mt\">characters<\/span>\n\u5b57)<\/span>\u201d. For reference, this is also the term used on <a title=\"Jehovah\u2019s Witnesses\u2014Official Website: jw.org\" href=\"https:\/\/www.jw.org\"><strong>jw.org<\/strong><\/a> when referring to Mandarin written using traditional Chinese characters:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/troubadourworks.com\/tiandi\/meotw\/img\/fanti-jworg.png\" alt=\"jw.org referring to Mandarin written using traditional Chinese characters\" loading=\"lazy\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"caption\" style=\"margin-top: -0.618em\"><a title=\"Jehovah\u2019s Witnesses\u2014Official Website: jw.org\" href=\"https:\/\/www.jw.org\"><strong>jw.org<\/strong><\/a> refers to traditional Chinese characters as \u201c<span onclick=\"plus(this)\"><i>f\u00e1nt\u01d0<\/i><\/span><span class=\"plusinfo a\" onclick=\"minus(this)\">\n(f\u00e1n\u00b7t\u01d0\n<span class=\"mt\"><span class=\"lit\">complicated; complex; difficult \u00b7 {body \u2192 [style] \u2192 [typeface; font]} \u2192<\/span> [traditional Chinese]<\/span>\n\u7e41\u4f53\n<span class=\"trad\">\u7e41\u9ad4<\/span>)<\/span>\u201d characters.<\/p>\n<h4>Beloved by Traditionalists and Purists, But Complicated<\/h4>\n<p>Many feel that traditional characters are the best characters of all, since, in their estimation, the official simplified characters have lost some of the heart and soul of characters. As a symbolic example, some point to how the simplified character for \u201clove\u201d, \u201c\u7231\u201d, omits the \u201cheart\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Chinese_character_radicals\" title=\"Chinese character radicals - Wikipedia\">radical<\/a> (\u201c\u5fc3\u201d), which is appropriately in the traditional character for \u201clove\u201d, \u201c\u611b\u201d.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">\u201c\u7231\u201d is the Simplified Chinese character for \u201clove\u201d. It\u2019s simpler, but omits the \u201cheart\u201d radical (\u201c\u5fc3\u201d), and has been \u201cfriend\u201d (\u201c\u53cb\u201d)-zoned. \ud83d\udc94<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Troubadour WW (@troubadourww) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/troubadourww\/status\/833777414266163206?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 20, 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> <script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">\u201c\u611b\u201d is the Traditional Chinese character for \u201clove\u201d. It appropriately has the \u201cheart\u201d radical (\u201c\u5fc3\u201d) in it, but it\u2019s quite\u2026complicated. \ud83d\ude13<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Troubadour WW (@troubadourww) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/troubadourww\/status\/833777213057085441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 20, 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0.618em\">Yes, as the above post mentions, the obvious, glaring issue with traditional characters is\u2014aggravated by the fact that there are tens of thousands of them\u2014their extreme, extraordinary complexity, the result of their problematically complex basic nature, along with thousands of years of accumulated occasionally arbitrary design decisions and developmental <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Cruft\" title=\"Cruft - Wikipedia\">cruft<\/a>. For example, note the below excerpt from p. 82 of the book <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Chinese-Language-Fact-Fantasy\/dp\/0824810686\/\" title=\"The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy: DeFrancis, John: 9780824810689: Amazon.com: Books\"><i>The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy<\/i><\/a><i>,<\/i> by <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/John_DeFrancis\" title=\"John DeFrancis - Wikipedia\">John DeFrancis<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\nIn the case of the rendition for the <i>hu\u00e1ng<\/i> meaning \u201csturgeon\u201d we have two variants, one written with the \u201cyellow\u201d phonetic and the other with the \u201cemperor\u201d phonetic, both combined with the semantic element for \u201cfish\u201d:<\/p>\n<p>\t\u9b5a \u201cfish\u201d<br \/>\n\t\u9c51 \u201cfish\u201d + <i>hu\u00e1ng<\/i> \u201cyellow\u201d = <i>hu\u00e1ng<\/i> \u201csturgeon\u201d<br \/>\n\t\u9c09 \u201cfish\u201d + <i>hu\u00e1ng<\/i> \u201cemperor\u201d = <i>hu\u00e1ng<\/i> \u201csturgeon\u201d  <\/p>\n<p>While etymological research might succeed in clarifying the basis for some of the variation, in many cases, as one specialist in Chinese paleography concludes, \u201cit is simply a matter of the whim of the writer\u201d (Barnard 1978:203).<\/p>\n<p>Scribal whim goes far to explain a diversity bordering on chaos in the forms of the Chinese characters as they evolved in the Shang dynasty and during the long years of political and administrative disunity in the Zhou dynasty (ca. 1028\u2013221 B.C.). The situation was aggravated by the fact that characters were created by writers living in different historical periods, which inevitably meant changes in sounds over the years, and speaking different dialects, which inevitably affected their choice of phonetic elements in the creation of new characters.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Their inherent extraordinary complexity, exacerbated by an accumulated millennia-long history of design decisions made on a whim, out-of-date phonetic elements, etc., causes especially the traditional characters, and even the (moderately) simplified characters, to be extremely difficult for us imperfect humans to learn and to remember. This has lead to <a href=\"https:\/\/troubadourworks.com\/tiandi\/meotw\/tag\/character-amnesia\/\" title=\"Character Amnesia Archives - Mandarin Expression of the Week\">character amnesia<\/a> and the <a href=\"https:\/\/troubadourworks.com\/tiandi\/meotw\/tag\/great-wall\/\" title=\"Great Wall Archives - Mandarin Expression of the Week\">Great Wall<\/a> of unfamiliar characters being real things, even among those who have been studying characters for decades. How complex can traditional characters get? Theoretically, there is no upper limit!<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">\u201cQu\u00e1n sh\u00ecji\u00e8 zu\u00ec ch\u011bd\u00e0n de y\u00ed ge H\u00e0nz\u00ec!\u201d<br \/>(\u201cOne of the world\u2019s most nonsense Chinese characters!\u201d)<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s crazy how many people say \u201cChinese characters aren\u2019t hard\u201d. Such people are in deep denial!<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/ChineseCharactersAreHard?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#ChineseCharactersAreHard<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/P%C4%ABny%C4%ABnFTW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#P\u012bny\u012bnFTW<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/CcwvLnJZ2X\">https:\/\/t.co\/CcwvLnJZ2X<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Troubadour WW (@troubadourww) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/troubadourww\/status\/1341902573658284033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">December 24, 2020<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-top: 0.618em\">The extreme, extraordinary complexity of traditional characters undoubtedly contributed greatly to illiteracy having been widespread in China for much of its history. Even for those who are privileged to be able to devote the extraordinary amount of time and effort needed to learn traditional characters, it\u2019s a long, hard slog, compared to learning a comparatively simple and compact alphabetical writing system. It\u2019s little wonder, then, that there have been serious, concerted efforts to simplify and even <a href=\"https:\/\/troubadourworks.com\/tiandi\/articles\/Pinyin_Was_Plan_A%E2%80%94Article.html\" title=\"P\u012bny\u012bn Was Plan A\">replace<\/a> traditional Chinese characters.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">\u201c\u00c0i\u201d is how P\u012bny\u012bn represents \u201clove\u201d. It doesn\u2019t play the games the characters play\u2014it helps you actually say \u201cI love you\u201d (\u201cW\u01d2 \u00e0i n\u01d0\u201d). \u2764\ufe0f<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Troubadour WW (@troubadourww) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/troubadourww\/status\/833781095376121857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 20, 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[This is a reposting of a post that was originally posted on November 30, 2020. 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